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	<title>Comments on: How The Lutheran Confessions Brought Me Back Into The Church</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/03/21/how-the-lutheran-confessions-brought-me-back-into-the-church/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat
I hear what you are saying.  Another difference of the Lutheran to the Pentecostal is the noise level. Seems the noisier a person can be in worship etc the more &#039;spiritual&#039; a person probably is.  When one evaluates that  that is essentials what the Pharisees , to be seen.

btw, I like that shirt that says instant sinner and saint. It is slightly expensive though</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat<br />
I hear what you are saying.  Another difference of the Lutheran to the Pentecostal is the noise level. Seems the noisier a person can be in worship etc the more &#8216;spiritual&#8217; a person probably is.  When one evaluates that  that is essentials what the Pharisees , to be seen.</p>
<p>btw, I like that shirt that says instant sinner and saint. It is slightly expensive though</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

My time spent in the Pentecostal and Charismatic circles did much damage to my faith.  I had to totally change the way I looked at things.  What is &quot;alive&quot; or &quot;dead?&quot;  False miracles and false prophecies that don&#039;t pan out, and cause me to doubt God and question my faith, that is real death, even if the &quot;worship&quot; is &quot;exciting.&quot;  People who &quot;who move in the Spirit&quot; powerfully, but exhibit about as much fruit of the Spirit as your average fence post, causing disillusionment and disgust with the church and other Christians, that is death.  Old people who quietly and humbly gather to hear Christ&#039;s Word and take the Lord&#039;s Supper, that is real life, even if the worship appears impoverished or boring. Average people who catechize each succeeding generation into the faith, grounding them in the basics of the Christian life, that is real life. What appears to be dead is often God&#039;s most powerful work. (Like Jesus dying on the cross—outwardly, to everyone observing, it looked like a complete failure on God&#039;s part—yet it was the pinnacle of His work in the salvation of the world.)

Try to find a Lutheran Church that takes its ministry seriously and attempts to do a good job with the Liturgy. (At least with the Liturgy, you will hear God&#039;s Word, and pray for those things that Jesus and the Apostles told us to pray for and about, even if the Pastor&#039;s sermon is terrible.) Sit and listen, let the Word minister to you, look for the good in it and let your faith be strengthened.  Hang in there. We are praying for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>My time spent in the Pentecostal and Charismatic circles did much damage to my faith.  I had to totally change the way I looked at things.  What is &#8220;alive&#8221; or &#8220;dead?&#8221;  False miracles and false prophecies that don&#8217;t pan out, and cause me to doubt God and question my faith, that is real death, even if the &#8220;worship&#8221; is &#8220;exciting.&#8221;  People who &#8220;who move in the Spirit&#8221; powerfully, but exhibit about as much fruit of the Spirit as your average fence post, causing disillusionment and disgust with the church and other Christians, that is death.  Old people who quietly and humbly gather to hear Christ&#8217;s Word and take the Lord&#8217;s Supper, that is real life, even if the worship appears impoverished or boring. Average people who catechize each succeeding generation into the faith, grounding them in the basics of the Christian life, that is real life. What appears to be dead is often God&#8217;s most powerful work. (Like Jesus dying on the cross—outwardly, to everyone observing, it looked like a complete failure on God&#8217;s part—yet it was the pinnacle of His work in the salvation of the world.)</p>
<p>Try to find a Lutheran Church that takes its ministry seriously and attempts to do a good job with the Liturgy. (At least with the Liturgy, you will hear God&#8217;s Word, and pray for those things that Jesus and the Apostles told us to pray for and about, even if the Pastor&#8217;s sermon is terrible.) Sit and listen, let the Word minister to you, look for the good in it and let your faith be strengthened.  Hang in there. We are praying for you.</p>
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		<title>By: John, FL</title>
		<link>http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/03/21/how-the-lutheran-confessions-brought-me-back-into-the-church/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>John, FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often wonder if I should go back to the Lutheran church. Since I was born again I had been going to pentecostal churches.  Got disillusioned with them and am not going anywhere now.  Sometimes  I wonder if tradition is the way to go. The only stumbling black with that is with tradition it  usually chokes out newer things. Yet,  it can possibly keep a  person grounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often wonder if I should go back to the Lutheran church. Since I was born again I had been going to pentecostal churches.  Got disillusioned with them and am not going anywhere now.  Sometimes  I wonder if tradition is the way to go. The only stumbling black with that is with tradition it  usually chokes out newer things. Yet,  it can possibly keep a  person grounded.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/03/21/how-the-lutheran-confessions-brought-me-back-into-the-church/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

Thanks for the kind words.  Those were some dark and miserable days for many of us, during a time in our life that should have been full of hope and the expectation of a bright future.  I&#039;m sorry that happened to us, and in many ways still grieve it,  but I now have a great deal of peace in my life.  My hope is that you and my other friends that were  there have found some also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words.  Those were some dark and miserable days for many of us, during a time in our life that should have been full of hope and the expectation of a bright future.  I&#8217;m sorry that happened to us, and in many ways still grieve it,  but I now have a great deal of peace in my life.  My hope is that you and my other friends that were  there have found some also.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

Our mutual friend prompted me  read your blog about the &quot;old college&quot; days that we all shared. I understand and acknowledge so many of the things you had to say. I am happy that someone has been able to give voice to what I feel so many of us were experiencing under the tutelage of those who claimed to know &quot;God&#039;s will&quot; and were so quick to shape us into their image and practice of religiosity. That was soooooooo long ago and yet when I read your words, it all came back to me. All the confusion and guilt associated with not knowing what the will of God was and then the guilt of knowing that I could never live up to the rules and regulations being promulgated by those in spiritual authority over us. Thank you for giving voice to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>Our mutual friend prompted me  read your blog about the &#8220;old college&#8221; days that we all shared. I understand and acknowledge so many of the things you had to say. I am happy that someone has been able to give voice to what I feel so many of us were experiencing under the tutelage of those who claimed to know &#8220;God&#8217;s will&#8221; and were so quick to shape us into their image and practice of religiosity. That was soooooooo long ago and yet when I read your words, it all came back to me. All the confusion and guilt associated with not knowing what the will of God was and then the guilt of knowing that I could never live up to the rules and regulations being promulgated by those in spiritual authority over us. Thank you for giving voice to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/03/21/how-the-lutheran-confessions-brought-me-back-into-the-church/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Sorry to hear that.  Believe me when I say I understand. The above account is greatly abbreviated, and in the interest of brevity I left a whole lot of ugly detail out.

That being said, please do not let an apparent hypocrite discourage you from hearing the Gospel. There are people like you described in every denomination.  Also, even if you disagree on several points, if there is a church that proclaims the Gospel clearly, park yourself there until you figure things out or find a place with which you are in more agreement.
Use your Catechism, read through and pray the parts you can agree with, and study the parts you don&#039;t.  At least you will be exposing yourself to the Word.
We live in tough times and the Church in general is in a bad way.  Many of us struggle with church situations that are less than optimal.  Hang in there.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Sorry to hear that.  Believe me when I say I understand. The above account is greatly abbreviated, and in the interest of brevity I left a whole lot of ugly detail out.</p>
<p>That being said, please do not let an apparent hypocrite discourage you from hearing the Gospel. There are people like you described in every denomination.  Also, even if you disagree on several points, if there is a church that proclaims the Gospel clearly, park yourself there until you figure things out or find a place with which you are in more agreement.<br />
Use your Catechism, read through and pray the parts you can agree with, and study the parts you don&#8217;t.  At least you will be exposing yourself to the Word.<br />
We live in tough times and the Church in general is in a bad way.  Many of us struggle with church situations that are less than optimal.  Hang in there.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/03/21/how-the-lutheran-confessions-brought-me-back-into-the-church/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your blog with interest. I am floating in a similiar boat as you have done. Grew up Lutheran and actually became a believer in 1990. Went from Luthean to Pentecostal , which was a giant leap.  After spending 8 years going from church to church like a vagabond I felt disillusioned.  I grew quickly and felt I outgrew the church. Messages had no meaning for me anymore.  I  didn&#039;t care for 4 points and a poem message either.

Part of me sort of wishes to go back to the Lutheran church. I have a catechism but I do not accept a few things in it  ie infant baptism. 
Also, I used to work with a guy who had a mouth like a sailor. I visited the church I grew up in with my dad and found this man as an usher, I was shocked!

For now, I am on a raft just drifting out there in a sea. Crying inside over what mainstream Christianity has become and wonder where my place in the kingdom on Earth  really is........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your blog with interest. I am floating in a similiar boat as you have done. Grew up Lutheran and actually became a believer in 1990. Went from Luthean to Pentecostal , which was a giant leap.  After spending 8 years going from church to church like a vagabond I felt disillusioned.  I grew quickly and felt I outgrew the church. Messages had no meaning for me anymore.  I  didn&#8217;t care for 4 points and a poem message either.</p>
<p>Part of me sort of wishes to go back to the Lutheran church. I have a catechism but I do not accept a few things in it  ie infant baptism.<br />
Also, I used to work with a guy who had a mouth like a sailor. I visited the church I grew up in with my dad and found this man as an usher, I was shocked!</p>
<p>For now, I am on a raft just drifting out there in a sea. Crying inside over what mainstream Christianity has become and wonder where my place in the kingdom on Earth  really is&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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