Comments on: Planting Liturgical Churches – An Outline http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/ Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:13:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: George http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-716 George Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:44:09 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-716 I too would like to know more if you should get a "debrief" on this subject! I too would like to know more if you should get a “debrief” on this subject!

]]> By: Kevin D. Johnson http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-715 Kevin D. Johnson Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:19:12 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-715 Ryan, I too would love to see a copy of the report if you are willing to share. Thanks very much for this post - I'm not Lutheran but I greatly appreciate the outline and plan you've provided. Ryan,

I too would love to see a copy of the report if you are willing to share. Thanks very much for this post – I’m not Lutheran but I greatly appreciate the outline and plan you’ve provided.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-690 Chuck Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:35:39 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-690 I find this a very helpful starting point. I and several men have exactly these concerns. Thank you for beginning this discussion! Chuck I find this a very helpful starting point. I and several men have exactly these concerns. Thank you for beginning this discussion!

Chuck

]]> By: Steve Byrnes http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-504 Steve Byrnes Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:49:47 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-504 It's obvious that you've put quite a bit of thought into this, Pat. It is excellent. I had a question on section III.B. of the outline "...but incorporate the liturgy of the Lord’s Supper into the beginning of your meal after service." What would the effect of this be in your opinion? It’s obvious that you’ve put quite a bit of thought into this, Pat. It is excellent. I had a question on section III.B. of the outline “…but incorporate the liturgy of the Lord’s Supper into the beginning of your meal after service.” What would the effect of this be in your opinion?

]]> By: Dr. Keith Schweitzer http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-491 Dr. Keith Schweitzer Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:57:33 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-491 I was a Chaplain's Assistant in the Army for 7 years. I had worship services in all kinds of situations. All I needed to start a liturgical congregation in Winterset, Iowa was a Bible and a hymnal. I was a Chaplain’s Assistant in the Army for 7 years. I had worship services in all kinds of situations. All I needed to start a liturgical congregation in Winterset, Iowa was a Bible and a hymnal.

]]> By: Pat K http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-489 Pat K Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:16:15 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-489 Ryan, I would really be interested to read your concluding debrief. Click on our 'contact us' button and leave me your email address. Ryan,

I would really be interested to read your concluding debrief. Click on our ‘contact us’ button and leave me your email address.

]]> By: Pat K http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-488 Pat K Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:13:07 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-488 Austin, Ted, Thanks for the lively input. Austin, if you look at Roman numeral IV, Multiple Locations, it talks about the Pastor visiting each group and conducting a LS. It was assumed in the outline above that point that the Pastor would be leading the group. Groups would refrain from the Supper if led by elders or deacons. Ted, the TDP would be tailor made for this kind of work. Excellent suggestion. Austin, Ted,

Thanks for the lively input.

Austin, if you look at Roman numeral IV, Multiple Locations, it talks about the Pastor visiting each group and conducting a LS. It was assumed in the outline above that point that the Pastor would be leading the group. Groups would refrain from the Supper if led by elders or deacons.

Ted, the TDP would be tailor made for this kind of work. Excellent suggestion.

]]> By: Ted Tschopp http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-487 Ted Tschopp Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:53:51 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-487 I'd use the Treasury of Daily Prayer to start with the different orders of service listed there. I’d use the Treasury of Daily Prayer to start with the different orders of service listed there.

]]> By: Ted Tschopp http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-486 Ted Tschopp Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:49:48 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-486 Luther's Large Catechism, covers this: "Even though a knave takes or distributes the Sacrament, he receives the true Sacrament, that is, the true body and blood of Christ, just as truly as he who [receives or] administers it in the most worthy manner. For it is not founded upon the holiness of men, but upon the Word of God. And as no saint upon earth, yea, no angel in heaven, can make bread and wine to be the body and blood of Christ, so also can no one change or alter it, even though it be misused" I don't want to place my hope on a ordained clergyman. Nor do I want to place my hope on a a non-ordained layman. I want to place my hope of the blood of Christ and the word of God's promise. Luther’s Large Catechism, covers this:
“Even though a knave takes or distributes the Sacrament, he receives the true Sacrament, that is, the true body and blood of Christ, just as truly as he who [receives or] administers it in the most worthy manner. For it is not founded upon the holiness of men, but upon the Word of God. And as no saint upon earth, yea, no angel in heaven, can make bread and wine to be the body and blood of Christ, so also can no one change or alter it, even though it be misused”

I don’t want to place my hope on a ordained clergyman. Nor do I want to place my hope on a a non-ordained layman. I want to place my hope of the blood of Christ and the word of God’s promise.

]]> By: Austin http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/2009/08/17/planting-liturgical-churches-an-outline/#comment-485 Austin Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:03:46 +0000 http://www.newreformationpress.com/blog/?p=786#comment-485 How do you justify a non-ordained layman administering the sacraments? How do you justify a non-ordained layman administering the sacraments?

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